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"Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:51 pm
by dutchman
George Osborne said a Tory government would save £3bn by freezing benefits for working-age people for two years after the general election.

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The UK chancellor said in his speech to the Conservative party conference on Monday that benefits had been rising more than earnings, a situation that was not sustainable for any nation.

Pledging that pensioners would be excluded from the freeze, he said that the £3bn of annual savings would make a “serious contribution” to reducing the deficit. Welfare made up a third of the entire government budget.

Mr Osborne also predicted that the next government would have to find £25bn of savings to cut Britain’s deficit, saying that only the Tories had shown the “discipline” to tackle the country’s debts in recent years.

“The problem for Britain is not that it taxes too little – it spends too much,” he told delegates in Birmingham.

The welfare announcement comes a day after Mr Osborne said a Tory government would cut the maximum benefits a household could claim in a year from £26,000 to £23,000.

The freeze would affect Jobseeker’s Allowance, tax credits, universal credit, child benefit, income support, the Employment and Support Allowance and housing benefit, and would save £1.6bn in 2016-17, rising to £3.2bn a year in 2017-18, according to the Conservatives.

As well as pensioner benefits, disability benefits and the carer’s allowance will be excluded.

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Some other groups would also be excluded, such as those ESA claimants in the so-called "Support Group".

Re: "Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:49 pm
by rebbonk
This deliberate and sustained vilifying of benefits claimants is very wrong. Many in this country are close to the wire, and any of us could lose our jobs at a moment's notice. Let's also not forget, that many job losses have been as a direct result of governmental policy or incompetence.

Sure, we've had a few cases of benefits silliness hitting the headlines, but they're very much in the minority. There is far more fraudulent activity going on in Camoron's and Osborne's world than there ever will be in mine. :fuming: :fuming: :fuming:

Re: "Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:51 pm
by dutchman
It won't just be unemployed people affected by these cuts, millions of people in work and claiming benefits of one kind or another will be hit hard:

Welfare Freeze: Who Would Be Hit?

Re: "Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:12 pm
by rebbonk
And the useless little ar$ewipe finishes the day by sending me an email begging for £20!

Well, I'll tell you what Osborne, two words, the second one is "OFF"

Re: "Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:29 am
by dutchman
Benefits to be paid onto smart cards to stop claimants spending their money on alcohol or gambling

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Benefits could to be paid onto smart cards to stop claimants wasting taxpayers money on alcohol or gambling.

Iain Duncan Smith today announced the first trial of pre-paid cards, which would restrict where the jobless or poor can spend their money.

The Work and Pensions Secretary said he was increasingly concerned about the way benefits could be used to fuel addictions, instead of putting people on the road to work.

Mr Duncan Smith claims that for a ‘significant’ number of people on benefits, the struggle to manage their household finances makes it harder for them to buy the essentials and to look for work.

Speaking at the Tory party conference in Birmingham, he said: 'I have long believed that where parents have fallen into a damaging spiral – drug or alcohol addiction, even problem debt, or more – we need to find ways to safeguard them – and more importantly, their families, their children, ensuring their basic needs are met.

'That means benefits paid should go to support the wellbeing of their families, not to feed their destructive habits.

'I can announce that I am testing prepaid cards, onto which we will make benefit payments, so that the money they receive is spent on the needs of the family – finally helping break the cycle of poverty for families on the margins, change we can be proud of.'

The government claims that families will be able to ‘take more control over their finances’ if they are restricted in what they can buy.

They hope to discourage people from buying alcohol, drugs and betting but making the cards compatible only with a limited number of retailers.

Ministers warn that too many people struggling on a budget end up taking on more debt that they can afford.

As a result there is increased demand for local services, with children more likely to be taken into care and families at risk of conviction.

Under the plan announced today, a pre-paid card payment system for ‘vulnerable claimants’ will be monitored in a trial in North Tyneside.

The cards are already in use, but ministers want to see how they could be restricted so they cannot be used in certain places like off-licences or casinos.

A future Conservative Government would use the results of this trial to inform a full scale pilot.

It comes as the government steps up its attack on Britain's welfare bill.

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Re: "Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:49 am
by rebbonk
How long before these cards are only usable in the shopping chains that pay party donations?

Sadly IDS hasn't got a clue about most things, and certainly not how the 'black' market for these cards would work.

Re: "Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:17 pm
by dutchman
It's a good idea in principle but one which is very difficult to put into practice.

In the US for example, shops which accept "Food Stamps" (actually a plastic card) routinely charge more than shops which don't and they seldom distinguish between "food" and other products.

It's also the thin end of a very big wedge. The system could be used for example stop pensioners from spending their money on cheap supermarket booze.

Re: "Tories to freeze benefits for two years"

PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:35 am
by dutchman
dutchman wrote:Some other groups would also be excluded, such as those ESA claimants in the so-called "Support Group".


Just to clarify, I've been reliably informed that the basic rate of ESA will be frozen for ALL claimants. It is only the additional premium paid to those in the Support Group (ie: those with the most serious medical conditions) which will be exempt from the freeze.

DLA and PIP will also be subject to taxation in future. (ESA is already taxable).

More information can be found here: http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2 ... etter+2014