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Is a diesel car cheaper to run than a petrol car?

Postby dutchman » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:11 am

Motorists who own diesel cars could be 'fuel fools' if they think their vehicles are cheaper to run than petrol-powered models, according to research.

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Findings by Auto Express have revealed that some popular diesel cars have to be driven more than 32,000 miles a year before they become more economical than petrol vehicles.

More drivers than ever are choosing diesel models because they are advertised by makers as going further on a tank of fuel with diesel cars now accounting for more than half of all motors sold in Britain as households feel the squeeze and fuel costs remain sky high.

However, as petrol engines become more efficient, the research defies the myth that diesel is always the cheaper choice.

Auto Express found that when depreciation, road tax and fuel bills are taken into account, many diesel cars are less efficient than petrol models.

For example, a city-friendly diesel Fiat 500 would have to be driven an astonishing 32,202 miles a year over three years before it becomes cheaper than the same petrol engine model.

This is because the diesel version of the Fiat 500 is £2,400 more to buy new, only does 14 miles per gallon more than the petrol one (72 v. 58) and depreciates more over three years.

Auto Express said: ‘How many city car drivers will do 30,000 miles a year for a diesel Fiat 500 to make sense. ‘

A Skoda Octavia 2.0-litre diesel would have to be driven 30,798 miles a year for three years before it becomes less expensive to run than the same car with a 1.4-litre petrol engine.

Again the diesel is £3,190 more expensive that the petrol version, while the petrol model does just eight miles per gallon less than its diesel partner.

Auto Express said: ‘You would need to travel the equivalent of Land's End to John O'Groats nearly 50 times in a year before the diesel makes more financial sense. Unfortunately the average motorist does between 10,000 and 12,000 models annually.’

A popular BMW 3-series with a 2.0-litre diesel engine would have to cover 17,018 miles a year over three years before it is cheaper than its petrol counterpart.

Researchers say BMW has ‘rewritten the rulebook on economy and emissions with its compact executive’ by cutting C02 levels in its petrol-powered models.

Its 320d EF Dynamics diesel model is £2,200 more than the 320i SE petrol version and is worth £2,700 less after three years. Auto Express said: ‘Even the most frugal diesel would struggle to make up that difference over three years.

‘Even though the car travels 56 per cent further on a gallon of fuel and incurs road tax of £20 a year compared to the petrol version's £130, owners will only start saving money if they cover more than 17,000 miles annually in the diesel for three consecutive years.

A sporty Peugeot RCZ diesel would need to travel 12,931 miles a year over three years before it becomes less expensive that its equivalent petrol model.

A driver of a two-door Audi A5 Coupe would have to cover 21,219 miles a year ove three years before the diesel version beats the petrol model on cutting costs. However, there are some exceptions to the petrol over diesel theory.

Drivers of a diesel MINI Cooper start to make savings after just 1,162 miles, Ford Fiesta owners after 2,597 miles and VW Passat drivers after just 5,542 miles.

Auto Express said: ‘Motorists should not make assumptions about diesel models. The only way to ensure you're buying the most frugal new model for you is to do the sums carefully.’

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Thye missed out insurance. Diesel cars generally have bigger and heavier engines than the petrol equivalent and are therefore more expensive to insure. :roll:
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Re: Is a diesel car cheaper to run than a petrol car?

Postby rebbonk » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:45 am

Not to mention the cancer causing particulates that diesel engines kick out!
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Re: Is a diesel car cheaper to run than a petrol car?

Postby dutchman » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:43 pm

Price of filling fuel tank hits £100 as diesel price races to record high of 143.05p a litre

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The price of diesel raced to a record high last night in a devastating blow to millions of motorists.

The average forecourt price hit 143.05p a litre – meaning it now costs more than £100 to fill up the 70-litre tank in a typical family car.

It means the price of filling up has increased by £20.50 in just two years – a punishing 26 per cent.

Petrol prices are also on the rise. They hit 135.39p a litre yesterday, just shy of the 137.43p record reached in May last year.

The Retail Motor Industry, a lobby group for petrol station owners, said the latest price surge was a ‘disaster for motorists’ ahead of a planned 3p-a-litre increase in fuel duty in August.

It is feared that the rise will push up the price of other everyday essentials such as food as everyone from farmers to supermarkets look to recoup the higher costs of transporting goods.

‘The impact of record diesel prices will be felt by everyone as higher transport costs are passed on to business and consumers,’ said AA president Edmund King.

‘A stronger pound has staved off this moment for longer than might have been expected. Diesel drivers across the country have been watching in trepidation.

‘They hoped that below-record prices would hold until the spring, when winter price pressures on diesel traditionally ease.

‘With some delivery and haulage firms adding a diesel surcharge to invoices, costs will rise faster than most people expect and stoke inflation again.

‘Like petrol, there is no price transparency in the wholesale and retail diesel market.’

He added: ‘Although the diesel price has been influenced by refinery closures, unreliable supply into Europe and stock market speculators taking advantage of a tight market, there is no way for businesses and consumers to find out whether or not they are paying a fair price.’

The recent rise in oil price has come as a surprise. It was thought the price would remain stable at a lower level but tensions in the Middle East and Iran have driven it up amid fears about supply from the oil-rich region.

The AA has written to Chancellor George Osborne calling for an investigation of the oil, refining, fuel product and retail markets ‘to ensure UK families and business are protected from over-inflated prices and supply difficulties’.

It has also called for an end to annual fuel duty hikes while the economy falters. This includes cancelling the planned rise in August.

Two years ago, diesel in the UK averaged 113.62p a litre. Then, it cost £79.50 to fill the 70-litre fuel tank on a Ford Mondeo.

RMI petrol chairman Brian Madderson claimed a ‘perfect storm’ of rising oil prices and worries about supply could push diesel and petrol prices even higher by Easter.

He said it would put the livelihoods of hundreds of petrol station owners and staff at risk.

The previous high for diesel was 143.04p a litre in May last year, at the height of the ‘Arab Spring’.

The uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa pushed up oil prices, and in turn prices at the pumps, amid fears over a shortage of supply.

RAC spokesman John Franklin said: ‘The new record price of diesel shows the issue of rising fuel prices isn’t going away. Drivers continue to be hit hard in their pockets during these tough economic times.

‘With a further 3p-a-litre fuel duty rise planned in August, we hope the Chancellor will take a look at this in the Budget.’

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Re: Is a diesel car cheaper to run than a petrol car?

Postby Spuffler » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:04 pm

Diesels aren't as economical as people think - and generally rather less economical than their makers claim. Modern diesels use common-rail fuelling, which really needs premium diesel - not the supermarket variety - and that is pushing £1.50 per litre.

Last year, for 3 months we owned a Kia 1.5 l diesel. It was claimed to offer a combined cycle economy of 61-62 mpg; in practice it varied from around 44 to 60 at very best. MPG didn't seem to depend on how it was driven or where; it just varied, so much so that I complained under warranty. However, it takes a diesel something around 12,000 miles to become consistent. Driving to N Yorks, a 200 mile trip, in heavy traffic and maintaining the maximum speed possible, it worked out at around 58 mpg; coming back, very light traffic, averaging about 50 mph, it returned 54! I tried everything; keeping engine rpm near to 2000 (most efficient); driving harder, less hard, nothing made any significant effect on it. The MPG was completely random.

I now run a 1.4 l petrol Honda with CVT gearbox; that regularly returns 48 on a run, 44 mixed in summer, and around 40 local running in winter. Servicing is around 20% cheaper per service and less frequent. It doesn't need special engine oil, and I use the cheapest supermarket petrol at about £1.32 at the moment.

Older diesels prior to common rail did work out cheaper to run, but performed poorly, were rattly, and generally not pleasant, whereas the Kia was lively, fast and quiet. If you do a lot of long runs, diesels may make sense, but I don't believe they do for most motorists' private running.

Particulates aren't a problem with small diesels, and especially modern common-rail designs (providing they are properly maintained). They become a problem with heavy vehicles, especially as a lot of heavy diesels are 'chipped', increasing particulate (soot) and NOx emissions; also, particulate filters are expensive, so may be neglected or bypassed by unscrupulous operators. Often truck operators prefer refurbished older vehicles, in order to avoid the cost of maintaining compliant emissions; those are the bad ones for gaseous and soot emissions.
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Re: Is a diesel car cheaper to run than a petrol car?

Postby dutchman » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:19 pm

Diesel price at M6 Corley services hits record high

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Drivers are being clobbered for a whopping £1.50-a-litre of diesel when they fill up at at the M6 Corley services near Coventry.

The price of diesel at the Shell fuel station on the M6 at Corley has reached a record 150.9p – which is 10p more than at some garages in the area.

It is believed to be one of the highest prices in the country.

Fuel costs have almost doubled in the past 12 years and experts predict further increases because of instability in the Middle East, leaving families and business with the prospect of higher, crippling bills.

Lorry driver Marcus Atkiss, who works for a delivery firm based at Coleshill, was astonished when he pulled up at the Corley pumps in his18-tonne wagon.

“This is the dearest price I’ve seen anywhere,” he said. “My company already spends a fortune in fuel and have to pass any increases onto the customer. When Government ministers talk about growth, they should realise that rising fuel prices are the worst thing.”

Mr Atkiss said that he put £938 worth of diesel into his lorry last week, while his own car also takes diesel.

“When it comes to motorway service stations you are often left with no options.

"I had to stop at Corley because my tank is only a quarter full but to pay over £1.50 a litre is a bit steep.

“Making fuel so expensive also puts the safety of lorry drivers at risk, because of being targeted by siphoning thieves.

"I spend all week on the road, sleeping in my vehicle and it’s something I have to be aware of.”

Another driver Robert Kertland works for a removal business in Stourbridge.

He said: “You expect to pay more on motorways, so we often try to use A-roads to find garages where the price is cheaper.

"I don’t think I have paid as much as £1.50 a litre anywhere before. It’s taking the mickey really.”

The price of diesel and petrol at the pump has risen by an estimated 25 per cent and 20 per cent respectively over the past two years and there are fears of further increases in next month’s budget.

Chancellor George Osborne has indicated he will not be able to repeat fuel-duty freezes or cuts, having already spent billions to keep fuel duty lower than it would otherwise have been.

He said: “We’ve taken action in last two fiscal statements either to avoid a fuel duty increase that was coming or to cut fuel duty.

"Fuel duty is 6p lower than it would have otherwise would have been.”

Campaign group Fair Fuel UK is due to hold talks with Treasury Minister Chloe Smith on Tuesday.

Spokesman Peter Carroll said: “Enough is enough. This is an absolute crisis. The current price of fuel is killing the economy and stunting growth.”

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